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GPB negative result proves GR wrong (see Eric try to deny the official report)
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Strich.9
2009-02-09 15:18:38 UTC
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Not meeting design sensitivity requirements does not invalidate the
experiment.
Who said anything about invalidation?
The experiment was 100% valid.
And the experiment was 100% NEGATIVE according to the original design
specifications.
Eric Gisse
2009-02-09 15:31:10 UTC
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Post by Strich.9
Not meeting design sensitivity requirements does not invalidate the
experiment.
Who said anything about invalidation?
The experiment was 100% valid.
And the experiment was 100% NEGATIVE according to the original design
specifications.
Nope. It doesn't work that way.
Strich.9
2009-02-09 15:39:46 UTC
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Eric the flunkie said:

Not meeting design sensitivity requirements does not invalidate the
experiment.

Strich schools Eric:
Who said anything about invalidation?
The experiment was 100% valid.
And the experiment was 100% NEGATIVE according to the original design
specifications.

Eric the flunkie continues his weak denial:
Nope. It doesn't work that way.

Strich states the cause for Eric's confusion:
Statistical ignorance... Any experiment requires a certain level of
statistical acumen to interpret. A flunkie like Eric who is
statistically clueless is bound to misinterpret experimental results.
The brevity of Eric's remark shows he is at present hurriedly reading
a 'Statistics for Dummies' book to get some ammunition to reply to me.
Eric Gisse
2009-02-09 16:49:02 UTC
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Not meeting design sensitivity requirements does not invalidate the
experiment.
Who said anything about invalidation?
The experiment was 100% valid.
And the experiment was 100% NEGATIVE according to the original design
specifications.
Nope. It doesn't work that way.
Statistical ignorance...  Any experiment requires a certain level of
statistical acumen to interpret.  A flunkie like Eric who is
statistically clueless is bound to misinterpret experimental results.
The brevity of Eric's remark shows he is at present hurriedly reading
a 'Statistics for Dummies' book to get some ammunition to reply to me.
Or I went and did something else for awhile?

You seem to have forgotten that you screamed at myself and others for
a solid week in order to get us to make you understand that an error
bar represents one standard deviation. Nobody owes you an education -
so fuck off.
p***@hotmail.com
2009-02-09 17:01:00 UTC
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Post by Eric Gisse
Not meeting design sensitivity requirements does not invalidate the
experiment.
Who said anything about invalidation?
The experiment was 100% valid.
And the experiment was 100% NEGATIVE according to the original design
specifications.
Nope. It doesn't work that way.
Statistical ignorance...  Any experiment requires a certain level of
statistical acumen to interpret.  A flunkie like Eric who is
statistically clueless is bound to misinterpret experimental results.
The brevity of Eric's remark shows he is at present hurriedly reading
a 'Statistics for Dummies' book to get some ammunition to reply to me.
Or I went and did something else for awhile?
You seem to have forgotten that you screamed at myself and others for
a solid week in order to get us to make you understand that an error
bar represents one standard deviation. Nobody owes you an education -
so fuck off.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
- Mostrar texto de la cita -
He is our resident "punching bag", from monday to friday.
As long as he loves to be punched, well what we can do if not deliver
to him?

Miguel Rios
Strich.9
2009-02-09 17:08:12 UTC
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Post by Eric Gisse
Not meeting design sensitivity requirements does not invalidate the
experiment.
Who said anything about invalidation?
The experiment was 100% valid.
And the experiment was 100% NEGATIVE according to the original design
specifications.
Nope. It doesn't work that way.
Statistical ignorance...  Any experiment requires a certain level of
statistical acumen to interpret.  A flunkie like Eric who is
statistically clueless is bound to misinterpret experimental results.
The brevity of Eric's remark shows he is at present hurriedly reading
a 'Statistics for Dummies' book to get some ammunition to reply to me.
Or I went and did something else for awhile?
Excuses, excuses. Somebody was caught reading Stat for Dummies.
Post by Eric Gisse
You seem to have forgotten that you screamed at myself and others for
a solid week in order to get us to make you understand that an error
bar represents one standard deviation.
You forget that the commotion was about you pretending to have a data
source which you could never produce, until this day. And I gave you
grief for it, so that you avoided me for a long time. My statistical
expertise was never a matter of debate. Speaking of which, did you
understand the Stat for Dummies book?
Strich.9
2009-02-09 19:19:19 UTC
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Post by Strich.9
You forget that the commotion was about you pretending to have a data
source which you could never produce, until this day.
Yet another blatant lie that serves no purpose.
Let us bring it all back then... Where is your data source for the
precession of the perihelion of the planet earth?

Let us await Eric's answer as he will surely illustrate what a blatant
lie looks like :-)
Strich.9
2009-02-10 19:01:47 UTC
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[snip stupidity]
It was a recap
about the GPB experimental procedure and not the result.
This is what is known as "lying".
[snip rest, unread]
This is a flunkie unable to process information... he starts thinking
the world is lying to him...
Strich.9
2009-02-10 19:16:55 UTC
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[snip stupidity]
It was a recap
about the GPB experimental procedure and not the result.
This is what is known as "lying".
[snip rest, unread]
This is a flunkie unable to process information...  he starts thinking
the world is lying to him...
You picked Gravity Probe B as your poster child for disproving
relativity, but you didn't bother reading the literature. Better luck
next time.
Flunkie, it is obvious who has not read the literature.

Or maybe I'll grant that you were not lazy and read the lit, but you
are too dumb to understand it.

Now if you were somebody else, I'll grant that you understood the lit
but are merely in denial. But you are Eric so going past dumb is not
possible
Strich.9
2009-02-10 20:48:42 UTC
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_Probe_B
http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/0264-9381/25/11/114002
http://einstein.stanford.edu/content/final_report/GPB_FinalPFAR-091907-scrn.pdf
I'm afraid Eric's idiocy may be contagious, so to prevent the
contagion, let me clarify:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_Probe_B
For topic such as GPB, where bias abounds, Wikipedia is not reliable.

http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/0264-9381/25/11/114002
I have addressed this topic before. This is an article by Everitt
published on the obscure journal Classical and Quantum Gravity. First
of all, no GPB experiment official result, which cost almost a
billion, will see publicatin in an obscure journal. This article is
merely a preliminary result of a POST-HOC analysis.

http://einstein.stanford.edu/content/final_report/GPB_FinalPFAR-091907-scrn.pdf
I have also addressed this as well before. This is a report dated
March 2007 about the Experimental Procedural summary of the gravity
probe B. Nowhere is there an official report. The report was
supposed to come out on the American Physical Society meeting in April
2007.

But here are the reports on that April 2007 APS meeting:
http://meetings.aps.org/Meeting/APR07/SearchAbstract
Type gravity probe and you will have 28 articles, none of which give a
positive result for GPB. All of these give negative results. Here is
the first search result:
http://meetings.aps.org/Meeting/APR07/Event/64567
Note that it is an excuse about the failure of GPB to come up with a
positive result.

Note also the vast amounts of confounding links available about GPB.
That is the whole point of the Gravity Probe being a PONZI scheme.
The negative results are being reinterpreted by a flurry of literature
that seeks to cover the its true NEGATIVE result.

But it is only obvious, since the official website of the GPB cannot
state a positive result but merely skirts around the fact of the
NEGATIVE result:
http://einstein.stanford.edu/highlights/status1.html
BradGuth
2009-02-10 19:34:57 UTC
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The reference ishttp://einstein.stanford.edu/content/final_report/GPB_FinalPFAR-09190...
The page is 427.
That's what I said, PAGE 427.
Taken from:http://einstein.stanford.edu/content/final_report/GPB_FinalPFAR-09190...
PAGE 427.
Now that's why I love ya, David. When presented with things like this,
a normal person simply shrugs it off - but you don't. You LIE even
more to cover up previous various lies and fumbles.
Is this really the best use of your time?
[snip rest]
Strich.9 is by no means the bad guy here.

At best it's still called mainstream butt sucking or brown nosing for
all it's worth. In other words, they want every last dime of our hard
earned public loot, even though their spendy GP-B was far from having
offered desirable contributions towards physics, science or humanity,
outside of the stuffing of our public loot into tax avoidance shelters
or otherwise into those offshore bank accounts. (aka Ponzi physics is
what it's all about)

Without a GPB mission positive, there is simply far less chance if any
at getting their next public funded research grant, and thus precious
jobs are at risk if not history.

90+% of any university orchestrated physics, science or
observationology consideration that's in any way public funded is a
focused effort upon getting more of the same kinds of public loot, in
order to help pay for previously orchestrated research that also
didn't deliver the goods.

There's no way 10% of our public funded R&D via college physics has
ever paid its own way, much less shown a viable/tangible profit or
return on investment. So, what's new?

To date, and especially as of the past 50 years, the world (mostly us
and Russia) has invested well over 50 trillions in physics or extreme
science, with no apparent end in sight. Now that the US is roughly
$64 trillions in debt and getting more unemployed by the hour, where
the hell is that flow of hard earned public loot going to come from?

~ BG
Strich.9
2009-02-11 14:29:40 UTC
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If you were less dishonest...
Looks who's talking. Eric the Crook, who pretends to have data but is
unable to corroborate them. Eric the Crook, calling me dishonest,
what a crock...

Admit it... The GPB is negative and all the false links you provide
do not prove otherwise...
Dirk Van de moortel
2009-02-11 19:36:13 UTC
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Post by Strich.9
If you were less dishonest...
Looks who's talking. Eric the Crook, who pretends to have data but is
unable to corroborate them. Eric the Crook, calling me dishonest,
what a crock...
Admit it... The GPB is negative and all the false links you provide
do not prove otherwise...
Eric should admit that he doesn't stand a chance against you.
People who don't play by rules always win the game by their
own definition.

Say hello to your mom from me:
http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Strich/850720037

Dirk Vdm
Strich.9
2009-02-11 19:47:24 UTC
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On Feb 11, 2:36 pm, "Dirk Van de moortel"
Post by Dirk Van de moortel
If you were less dishonest...
Looks who's talking.  Eric the Crook, who pretends to have data but is
unable to corroborate them.  Eric the Crook, calling me dishonest,
what a crock...
Admit it...  The GPB is negative and all the false links you provide
do not prove otherwise...
Eric should admit that he doesn't stand a chance against you.
People who don't play by rules always win the game by their
own definition.
   http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Strich/850720037
Dirk Vdm
Dirk, are you here for moral support for your twin Eric? Well, he
really needs it. His lies have been exposed once again.
Strich.9
2009-02-11 19:50:37 UTC
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Eric lies:
http://iopscience.iop.org/0264-9381/25/11/114002/?ejredirect=.iopscience

"In April 2007, we presented the first public results of GP-B at the
American Physical Society meeting in Jacksonville, FL. As figure 3
shows, the geodetic effect is immediately obvious in the north-south
orbital plane in all four gyroscopes. The mean 1ó result then reported
was -6638 ± 97 mas yr-1, which yields after subtracting the requisite
north orrections of +7 mas yr-1 for the solar geodetic effect and +28
± 1 mas yr-1 for the proper motion of the guide star, a geodetic value
of -6673 ± 97 mas yr-1, to be compared with the predicted -6606 mas
yr- 1; this is consistent with the predictions of general relativity.
"

Strich makes the call:

STRIKE TWO!!! (Strike ONE was citing the GPB Procedural Summary report
of March 2007)

Mr. Crook, you're still citing the same POST-HOC study published on
the Classical and Quantum Gravity on May 2008, the same study you have
cited before. I have refuted this several times before, as the study
is a POST-HOC study. Please do review what a POST-HOC study is to
avoid making the same mistake.

For the Nth time, where is that GPB positive result you have been
whining about?
Dono
2009-02-12 15:20:08 UTC
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On Feb 11, 11:36 am, "Dirk Van de moortel"
Post by Dirk Van de moortel
Post by Strich.9
If you were less dishonest...
Looks who's talking. Eric the Crook, who pretends to have data but is
unable to corroborate them. Eric the Crook, calling me dishonest,
what a crock...
Admit it... The GPB is negative and all the false links you provide
do not prove otherwise...
Eric should admit that he doesn't stand a chance against you.
People who don't play by rules always win the game by their
own definition.
http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Strich/850720037
Dirk Vdm
You sure this is the asshole? Looks kind of young for the advanced
case of Alzheimer he is.

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