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"Struble Says Don't Be Afraid of Pandora in Fords" LMFAO!!!!!!
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SMS
2010-02-19 19:47:05 UTC
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What is the "true cost" of installing an HD Radio? (Are you going to quote
a 3 year old article again? LOL!)
In terms of the actual receiver it's well under a $6 cost differential
for the automaker. That cost is for the royalty fee (about $2) and the
cost of the extra hardware, and the amortization of the initial
licensing fee.
SMS
2010-02-20 12:36:13 UTC
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No one is asking for HD - just call your local BMW dealer - LOL!
A few are...and more would if they knew the formats available.
But it's just like FM was in the early days. Most people wouldn't spend the
extra money to get one.
It's a matter of education, explaining to people the advantages of the
product. The HD Radio Alliance has a marketing campaign to do that.

Digital radio is still in its infancy. They had to first build the back
end infrastructure of broadcasters before they could go to consumers and
move beyond a niche market to the mass market. Now with the vast
majority of FM stations having already added digital service, or
planning to do so in the next year, they can begin to market the
receivers more aggressively.

It's rather amusing to see pronouncements that the "time for HD Radio
has passed" when in reality, it's just beginning for digital radio. In a
few years, only the lowest end vehicles will not have an digitalt radio
as standard equipment. It will be as ubiquitous as FM. I haven't seen
whether or not iBiquity is lowering the royalty cost on receivers, but I
would not be surprised to see it go to well under $1 per unit. As the
volumes go up, the chip costs will come down as well. The future looks
very good for digital radio.
HD Radio Farce
2010-02-20 23:47:42 UTC
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On Feb 20, 1:32�pm, "DAB sounds no worse than -FM--1" <dab.is-
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Pandora has a free version, so no need to pay.
The versiona availble for the car won't be the "free version"! LOL!
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Pandora, itself, has a free version, and over 75% of cosumers have
some sort of cell phone service.
I don't think the Pandora that will come in the dashboard will be the
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Pandora has a free version.
I don't think the Pandora that will come in the dashboard will be the "free
version".
I think it is clear now to everyone that you are just posting crap for the
sake of posting crap that you either don't understand or sont want to
understand.
I think people visiting your blog can see the same thing.
You don't even bother to think before you post, nor do you want to read
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I just post other articles, you angry, little, ignorant bitch -
LMFAO!!!
HD Radio Farce
2010-02-20 23:48:22 UTC
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On Feb 20, 1:34�pm, "DAB sounds no worse than -FM--1" <dab.is-
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Pandora has a free version, so no need to pay.
The versiona availble for the car won't be the "free version"! LOL!
And, you keep forgetting the fees for the internet connection!- Hide
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Pandora, itself, has a free version, and over 75% of cosumers have
some sort of cell phone service.
so you need a cell phone to listen in the car to pandora?
that doesn't sound like the future...and most people won't use their
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Millions use their cell phones to stream Internet Radio
#1) Millions? �Can you cite that claim
#2) Posted again, becuase you didn't apparently don't like being
so you need a cell phone to listen in the car to pandora? � that doesn't
sound like the future...and most people won't use their
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LOL!
SMS
2010-02-21 08:42:23 UTC
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I don't think the Pandora that will come in the dashboard will be the "free
version".
Hopefully it won't be since the free version is extremely limited, both
in number of hours per month and features. The pay version is not very
expensive anyway, if you don't include the cost of the 3G service. If
everyone had unlimited 3G data service, and if the wireless networks
could support even 1/100th of the number of simultaneous streaming
listeners as broadcast radio listeners, then broadcasters would have a
reason to be concerned. For now, their main concern is being
marginalized by M4P/MP3 players connected to vehicles' entertainment
systems (by wires or by Bluetooth) or content on a USB stick being
plugged into a USB port in the dash.
I think it is clear now to everyone that you are just posting crap for the
sake of posting crap that you either don't understand or sont want to
understand.
That was clear a long time ago. That's why kill-files were invented.
HD Radio Farce
2010-02-21 14:59:06 UTC
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On Feb 20, 1:34 pm, "DAB sounds no worse than -FM--1" <dab.is-
news:ecba516a-ce28-4990-a67b-
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Pandora has a free version, so no need to pay.
The versiona availble for the car won't be the "free version"! LOL!
And, you keep forgetting the fees for the internet connection!- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Pandora, itself, has a free version, and over 75% of cosumers have
some sort of cell phone service.
so you need a cell phone to listen in the car to pandora?
that doesn't sound like the future...and most people won't use their
phone as a "car radio"- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Millions use their cell phones to stream Internet Radio
#1) Millions?  Can you cite that claim
#2) Posted again, becuase you didn't apparently don't like being
so you need a cell phone to listen in the car to pandora?   that doesn't
sound like the future...and most people won't use their
phone as a "car radio"-- Hide quoted text -
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"Does radio need to worry about IP-delivered audio?"

"Back in September, Radio World published a column titled 'The Problem
Isn’t Demand, It’s Bandwidth' by veteran broadcast engineer, Frank
McCoy. The title was a bit of a non sequitur, because of course if
there was no demand, bandwidth wouldn’t be a problem... He arrives at
this 'comforting' conclusion by comparing the bandwidth required by IP
audio streams in a real-world situation vs. available bandwidth,
finding that IP audio just won’t scale up enough to be a threat to
radio broadcasters. The exercise is interesting, but it would be a
mistake for us to draw much comfort in it – at least if your goal is
to stop worrying about other platforms. Here’s why."

http://tinyurl.com/yh9gl66

"FCC Chairman says spectrum crisis imminent"

"Julius Genachowski, the chairman of the Federal Communications
Commission (FCC) said that the agency would undertake suitable
measures to trounce the intimidating wireless shortage, imminent from
the ever-increasing number of smartphones and other wireless devices.
Noting that more bandwidth needs to be provided for mobile devices if
a looming spectrum crisis has to be averted, Genachowski said that the
government intends bringing about a three-fold increase in the amount
of spectrum for commercial uses."

http://tinyurl.com/yfnh72k

Game over, Strubes Pubes - laughing... laughing... LMFAO!!!
HD Radio Farce
2010-02-21 22:55:22 UTC
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On Feb 21, 5:48 pm, "DAB sounds no worse than -FM--1" <dab.is-
Sync is supposed to have HD - another put-off by Ford, which has been
promising HD since 2007, or maybe Struble is lying (big surprise) -
LOL!
HD will be on the 2011 Fords, which will go on sale later this year.
LOL!
"DEAD AIR: Radio’s Great Leap Forward stalling in the Valley"

"Nearly two years after the Valley’s four Clear Channel stations went
HD, several high-end car manufacturers have promised to offer HD
radios as an option on new models. But while Ford announced in
September that it offers the radios as dealer-installed upgrades — as
have Mini, Volvo, Jaguar and BMW — local Ford and Lincoln dealers had
not heard of HD and said they don’t offer the option."

http://tinyurl.com/6gwdj4

Kind of like this - LOL! Ford is hoping the power increase will help,
but it won't For is stalling because they don't want a bunch of
"broken" radios returned, just like BMW -LOL! Also, it wil cost Ford
tens-of-millions to install HD radios, as they cost about $45/each to
install - LOL! Also, few stations have the headroom, or funds for any
power increase, as Struble was quoted that IF it even happens it will
take years - LOL!
HD Radio Farce
2010-02-24 15:50:22 UTC
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On Feb 24, 1:54 am, "DAB sounds no worse than -FM--1" <dab.is-
for some reason I don't know if the average Joe is going to pony up
money for pandora every month. ?People just dont spend that much time
in their cars!
Yes, that's a major reason that Struble is trying to reassure
terrestrial radio stations, some of which are needlessly panicking over
the idea of people streaming music over 3G.
Digital radio is going to be the savior of terrestrial broadcasting. It
needs to be deployed as quickly as possible to prevent other delivery
methods from gaining much of a foothold.
Struble is either ignorant, or trying to pull another fast-on on
Wow!  Such eloquence!  Such insight!  Such a grasp on the subject!
(BTW...I love when they accuse one guy of pulling a wool over the ENTIRE
broadcast industry and over the ENTIRE FCC!  One guy!  LOL!)
Laughing...laughing!
"Smart Phones and Dumb Radios"

"The only smartness connected with HD Radio comes from the crooked and
crookeder Bob 'Booble' Struble, whose iBiquity stuck radio with an
investment they can’t get out of... The time has come to recognize and
own up to HD Radio as a major blunder. It’s not happening. It hasn’t
in the past, it isn’t now, and it never will. DAB radio is a failure
in Europe, too."

http://tinyurl.com/yfwqvsn

"Suffa Eyes IBOC With Caution"

"As Clear Channel's top capital investment man, Bill Suffa has a great
deal of input as to whether the huge radio group will adopt IBOC...
William Suffa is the senior vice president of capital management for
Clear Channel Worldwide. As such, he plays an important role in
determining when and how Clear Channel stations will make the digital
transition and how much money those facilities will have available to
accomplish the change... The whole IBOC thing is one of economics...
But from a financial basis, it's very difficult to justify going to
IBOC at this time... Clear Channel is very interested in return to our
shareholders. And it's very, very difficult to justify purchase of
this kind of equipment where we don't see the clear return."

http://tvtechnology.com/article/2184

"Clear Channel: Digital Radio Discussion of Options"

"Cannibalization of current broadcast primary formats: more choices,
more fragmentation, lower ratings and rank positioning. Slow adoption
due to high cost of receivers: consumer value proposition is not
aligned (it’s not 'free'). We do not believe that a Digital
Subscription Service is a viable business model."

http://www.rbr.com/epaper/pdfs/DigitalRadio.pdf

That's exactly what Struble did.

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