I don't care about the videotaping thing

[Husky]

BTW, it is what you implied!
My question;
" Someone slipped him steroids without his knowledge?"
Your answer. "actually that happens very easily."
Very Easily?, I don't think so.

Well, you'd be wrong. Take ten minutes and do a google search on Nandrolone

and

other related 19-nor supplements, nandrolone metabolites, and research on
false
positives. The odds of Merriman having taken a Nandrolone injection are
vanishingly small.

You have no basis or facts to make that statement. The reality of it
is you don't know what he did, other than test positive for a steroid.

It's not like they found him with a blood-nandrolone level of 0.1, you bonehead.
They found a metabolite that *can* occur from processing nandrolone and *can*
occur due to other sources.

There's no need for name calling. More Ad Hominem from the peanut
gallery..
The .1 reading means very little other than the fact he had it in his
system. The most likely scenario is that he missed his "Timing" for
the test.

The reason that the odds of Merriman having taken Nandrolone are so small, is
that the drug is not that effective and very easy to detect. If he's taking a
banned substance it is not Nandrolone. That's an educated opinion. I don't know
it's fact because there's a vanishingly small chance he's as ignorant as you
are, took the fucking stuff, then magically flushed it out of his body so he
wouldn't fail the next dozen or so drug tests. Occam's razor suggests not.

Amazing, you're willing to accept any Cock and Bull story as FACT,
over the likely reality that he took a shot. Citing it would be nice
and proper.

<sigh> All you have to do is to to google, type "nandrolone" and hit "enter".
The first article that'll pop up is the Wikipedia entry on it, in which it'll
say (in part)...

Hey, if you want to make the point, cite what you're referring to.

"Urine analysis as a method of detecting nandrolone abuse has recently become
somewhat controversial, following studies by the University of Aberdeen showing
that the metabolite product can also show up in urine in quantities above the
upper limit from a combination of high-protein diets utilising the legal
nutritional supplement creatine and hard cardiovascular exercise. The reason for
this unexpected result has not been determined. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nandrolone
Next entry gives you a bit more background on the issue, including (in part)...
"If nandrolone is on the banned list and being so easily detected, isn't it odd
that athletes suddenly are testing positive for nandrolone? Do you really
believe that they are consciously testing their fates with this drug in the name
of greater glory? Something else must be going on, leading to all these positive
tests.
This increase could be explained by newer "nutritional supplements" that can be
purchased over the counter in many stores and over the Internet. These
supplements are termed "prohormones."
http://www.active.com/story.cfm?story_id=7081
This is just the start of a long trail of educational reading we went down a
year ago. Just keep reading. After about a half-dozen of these articles your
world-view will change and then we can argue about stuff that two reasonably
intelligent men can have a difference of opinion on.

What are the odds these athletes did take the Drug and got caught.
Name one supplement available last year that has been found to cause
the false positives, as you've already read the articles. please.

[Bajamark]

Don't drink and drive.

Great message....... now go away!!!!!!!!!!

[badlands420]

1) Ad Hominem - "criticizing or personally attacking an argument's
proponent in
an attempt to discredit that argument". Accusing me of an ad-hominem is
like
accusing a QB who's spiking the ball of intentional grounding. My intent
is to
call you an idiot.

No, attacking an opponent's character rather than answering his
argument.

That's what he just fucking said, you dumb bastard.

2) "I'll take that to mean you can't name any specific brand, thank you."
I
named creatine. I can name many, many specific brands of creatine.

So your buying into the theory that there was a false reading for
Nandrolone, and not the obvious reason. Look up Gullible.

As long as we're invoking Latin-themed logical fallacies, that was one hell
of a non sequitur.

3) There is zero chance Merriman took Nandrolone. There is a good chance
he
knowingly or unknowingly took a banned substance. Those two statements
are in >no
way contradictory, as you maintain.

A Strawman response, based upon your empty opinion.

I love when people yell "straw man" like it's some sort of all-purpose
Pavlovian mantra, even when they clearly have no idea what a straw man
actually is.

[Savage Lizard]

"You're an idiot."
1) Ad Hominem - "criticizing or personally attacking an argument's
proponent in an attempt to discredit that argument". Accusing me of an
ad-hominem is like accusing a QB who's spiking the ball of intentional
grounding. My intent is to call you an idiot.
2) "I'll take that to mean you can't name any specific brand, thank you."
I named creatine. I can name many, many specific brands of creatine.
3) There is zero chance Merriman took Nandrolone. There is a good chance
he knowingly or unknowingly took a banned substance. Those two statements
are in no way contradictory, as you maintain.
4) Your inability to follow a simple logical train of thought is entirely
too frustrating for me to continue this discussion.
Good day

Set..... Match...... Point
Nothing more to see here..... please drive on through.

It would be point, set, game, match, but don't let accuracy get in
your way.
Don't drink and drive.

Ummm...when I played tennis, it was point, game, set, match. But
don't let accuracy get in your way :-)

Savage Lizard