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On Oct 7, 12:25 pm, "Dirk Van de moortel"
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In conclusion, relativity is unable to provide an answer to a very
simple question. In this case, the 1 second question is:
When does the tock after the tick occur in clock M in frame M, after 1
second, or more than one second?
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Discussion: If relativity cannot provide an answer to simple questions
as when the tock occurs after the tick, when we know for a fact that
it must occur, as it occurs in clocks and watches everyday all around
the world, how does it even pretend to provide answers to more complex
questions?
On Oct 7, 11:59 am, "Dirk Van de moortel"
those events, however, are frame dependent, as have been shown and
discussed here for years.
For instance, if once a year you generate a light signal, for us its
rate will be exactly one light signal per year. For a space ship
traveling away at v = 0.5c the rate will be one light signal every two
years. This is even true in classical physics.
Yes, provided they can live with the fact that we define
time as what we read on our clocks.
They cannot live with that - they have decided that Time
Must Be Absolute. That is where all communiction stops.
Dirk Vdm
Yes, use all the clocks you want.
You see, where all communication stops.You did not answer my question. The occurrence of event2 (tock)
occurs sometime after event1 (tick). Are you saying that the tock can
occur twice, one at 'standard' interval and another obe after a
'delayed' interval.
Events are events (either they take place or they do not). Time ofoccurs sometime after event1 (tick). Are you saying that the tock can
occur twice, one at 'standard' interval and another obe after a
'delayed' interval.
those events, however, are frame dependent, as have been shown and
discussed here for years.
For instance, if once a year you generate a light signal, for us its
rate will be exactly one light signal per year. For a space ship
traveling away at v = 0.5c the rate will be one light signal every two
years. This is even true in classical physics.
time as what we read on our clocks.
They cannot live with that - they have decided that Time
Must Be Absolute. That is where all communiction stops.
Dirk Vdm
The question is, when does the tock
after the tick occur in clock M in frame M? After 1 second, or more
than one second?
Imbecile.after the tick occur in clock M in frame M? After 1 second, or more
than one second?
[Let me re-emphasize we are talking of frame M.]
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simple question. In this case, the 1 second question is:
When does the tock after the tick occur in clock M in frame M, after 1
second, or more than one second?
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Discussion: If relativity cannot provide an answer to simple questions
as when the tock occurs after the tick, when we know for a fact that
it must occur, as it occurs in clocks and watches everyday all around
the world, how does it even pretend to provide answers to more complex
questions?