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Digital Radio Cranks Up the Juice (very good article on the power increase)
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l***@democrat.com
2010-02-14 05:03:16 UTC
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On Feb 13, 1:35 pm, "DAB sounds no worse than -FM--" <dab.is-
What bugs me about this is I am 100% sure the industry knew from day
one that the power allotted to IBOC would not be sufficient.
They did...and they made no secret about it.  The first stage was mainly a
test.  And everyone knew it.
So in one word, this is fraud.
No it wasn't, because it was made clear to everyone who was involved that
this was a testing period.
One word: spin!
Richard Evans
2010-02-14 22:14:32 UTC
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What bugs me about this is I am 100% sure the industry knew from day
one that the power allotted to IBOC would not be sufficient.
They did...and they made no secret about it. The first stage was mainly a
test. And everyone knew it.
I suppose they had to use lower power during the test period, as they
didn't know how much interference it would cause. So it makes sense to
start off at low power see what happens, then decide whether to increase
the power.

Richard E.
Richard Evans
2010-02-14 22:20:52 UTC
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What bugs me about this is I am 100% sure the industry knew from day
one that the power allotted to IBOC would not be sufficient.
They did...and they made no secret about it. The first stage was mainly a
test. And everyone knew it.
(2nd attempt to post, no idea where my previous reply went)

I suppose it makes sense to test at reduced power, as they couldn't be
sure how much interference it would cause. Hence start tests at low
power, see what happens, then decide whether to increase the power.

Richard E.
Richard Evans
2010-02-14 22:32:57 UTC
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What bugs me about this is I am 100% sure the industry knew from day
one that the power allotted to IBOC would not be sufficient.
They did...and they made no secret about it. The first stage was mainly a
test. And everyone knew it.
(3rd attempt to post Grrrrr.....)

I suppose it makes sense, as they didn't know how much interference it
would cause, hence test at low power, see what happens, then decide
whether to increase power.
Richard Evans
2010-02-14 22:38:42 UTC
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On Feb 13, 9:35 pm, "DAB sounds no worse than -FM--" <dab.is-
What bugs me about this is I am 100% sure the industry knew from day
one that the power allotted to IBOC would not be sufficient.
They did...and they made no secret about it.  The first stage was mainly a
test.  And everyone knew it.
(4th attempt to post Grrrr!!!!!!!)

I suppose it makes quite a bit of sense to test at reduced power. Then
decide whether to increase when they have had a chance to see how much
interference it would cause.
l***@democrat.com
2010-02-16 08:38:08 UTC
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On Feb 15, 10:50 pm, "DAB sounds no worse than -FM--" <dab.is-
Again, the broadcasters were a select few. Seriously, nobody is
falling for your spin. Semiconductor firms don't give a rats ass about
the standard.
It's not spin, manufacurers are are not going to make something they dont
think they can make money on.
Having designed datacom and telecom chips, I can say the semiconductor
companies were never consulted. The industry wrote the spec, and
everyone did their best to follow the spec. The industry knows what
it needs, and writes the spec. It is quite possible they hired a few
consultants to do feasibility studies (i.e. can this be done). [I've
done "triage" on RFQs for design houses.]
SMS
2010-02-16 11:23:52 UTC
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Again, the broadcasters were a select few. Seriously, nobody is
falling for your spin. Semiconductor firms don't give a rats ass about
the standard.
It's not spin, manufacurers are are not going to make something they dont
think they can make money on.
Nor are broadcasters going to spend money on something that they don't
think that they can make money on. In the case of upgrading to digital,
and operating a hybrid station, the money they are spending is
relatively small so they aren't really worried if the revenue is not
instantaneous. What's most important is that they not lose market share
to stations that have already deployed digital.

Digital radio in the U.S. was a cooperative effort between broadcasters,
equipment manufacturers, semiconductor makers, and the government, with
everyone having buy-in on both the concept and the technical details.
Yes, the larger broadcasting companies were most influential in the
process. They have the most money invested in analog radio, and the most
to gain or lose by the type of the digital system selected (though IBOC
is also the best choice for smaller stations, and most of them have
realized this already).

It's rather amusing to see all the clueless individuals, with no
experience in broadcasting, manufacturing, or sales, spout their
nonsense about the adoption cycle of new technology. If they just looked
back at similar (non-mandated) technology improvements in the broadcast
industry (where the government chooses a new standard), they'd see that
it usually works out pretty well even though someone always complains
about it.

Look at the transition from B&W to color TV. The color TV standard that
was chosen was not the best one, but they had to have a system that was
compatible with existing B&W receivers. Ditto for FM stereo.
SMS
2010-02-18 20:49:39 UTC
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That would be easily compensated for by the excellent indoor coverage.
On cars it would be no problem at all.
Building penetration of IBOC is, and will always be even in all-digital
mode, inferior to the station's current analog signal.
Another great "pronouncement" from Higgy...with no experience to back it up.
He never said that analog would have superior audio quality, only that
building penetration of the analog signal would be better than that of
the digital signal. Until analog disappears, his statement is probably
true, even if grossly misleading.
HD Radio Farce
2010-02-19 21:16:49 UTC
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On Feb 19, 3:48�pm, "DAB sounds no worse than -FM--1" <dab.is-
But that was then, and this is now.
Time has passed him by, and he is left to deal with the industry as
mostly a hobby.
Trying to preserve the past, and the inability to see the future.
Funny you say that - I was thinking pretty much the same thing about Bob
Struble
Well, let's see....Bob Struble hold a patent. �John Higdon holds none.
Bob Struble is working towards the future of radio....Higdon hold onto the
past.
Bob Struble is offerring more channels of programming, more choices for the
consumer. ...Higdon wants to stay with the staus quo.
Bob Struble runds a multi-million dollar venture....Higdon advises a bunch
of mom and pop operations.
BIG difference.
it's pretty obvious that the time for HD - if there ever was one - has
passed.
Not at all. HD Radio is still in it's infancy, and everyone knows that it
takes time to change the public's habits, especially when it's something
like radio that people pay very little attention to.
More stations are programming HD2 & 3 channels every day.
A number of stations have turned of the HD channels.
HD Radio Farce
2010-02-21 18:59:36 UTC
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On Feb 20, 1:28 pm, "DAB sounds no worse than -FM--1" <dab.is-
Conversions have basically stalled..
Becuase most of the largest stations, the largest companies in all the
largest amrkets have already converted.
With the reduced fees, some of the smaller stations will now be converting.
and a number have turned off the HD channels.
Very few have turned off their HD signals.
"They’re turning off HD in Washington, DC"

"Well, this time it’s not an anomaly or a digital exciter glitch — at
least not that we can see. For weeks now the Washington, DC market has
been turning off its HD Radio signals en masse. There is no longer any
station in the market on AM broadcasting in HD. ESPN Deportes Radio/
Red Zebra’s 730 WXTR-AM long ago shut off the signal. But now that
list includes 630 WMAL (Citadel); 570 WTNT (Clear Channel); Red
Zebra’s 980 ESPN Radio; and 1500 WFED-AM (Bonneville). The FM list now
includes 106.7 WJFK-FM (CBS Radio); 102.3 WWMJ-FM (Radio One); 104.1
WPRS-FM (Radio One) and 107.7 WWWT-FM (Bonneville)."

http://www.rbr.com/radio/12018.html

This is just D.C, for example - there are plenty of other regions, as
well,
hwh
2010-02-22 15:47:37 UTC
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The FCC is just
looking the other way while the broadcast bands are trashed.
The broadcast bands are not being trashed you idiot.
How serious can any posting be considered to be if the poster reverts to
talking like that?

gr, hwh

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